How to fit facelift lights on pre-facelift

[shakman87]

this may need to be a sticky admins!!!

this topic has come up a lot, so i've taken the liberty of getting the info from the type r forum and posting it on here.

"Before I start, i'm affraid I don't have any really detailed photo's of the nitty gritty bits, so I may have to cross-reference other threads for specific jobs, like removing the front bumper etc. Most of the actual taking apart and putting back together is pretty obvious though, and if you're the type that isn't mechanically or electrically minded and struggles with removing a few nuts and bolts, i'd probably recommend you don't try this conversion

So - Start off by removing your front bumper. (unfortunatelty the guide I used first time I did it now seems to have disappeared forever so maybe someone else provide a link if they know of one)

Then remove the old headlights, its fairly obvious where all the bolts are which hold these in.

I have a list of part numbers and prices of bits which I used for the conversion, they are as follows.

All prices are EXCLUSIVE of VAT

1 x 33101-S5T-E62 - Right hand headlight unit - £80.37 ea
1 x 33151-S5T-E62 - Left hand headlight unit - £80.37 ea
2 x 33115-S84-A11 - HB3 main Beam bulb - £4.02 ea
2 x 33126-S0A-003 - Cover Rubber - £8.44 ea
2 x 33126-S6A-J61 - Cover Rubber - £6.60 ea
2 x 33303-SAA-003 - Indicator bulb holders - £5.45 ea
2 x 33303-S2R-003 - Indicator Orange bulbs - £1.18 ea
2 x 33305-S5A-003 - Side-light bulb holders - £4.85 ea
2 x 33116-SD4-961 - Headlight bulb Holders - (Optional) - £7.49 ea

So thats everything from Honda - which comes to a grand total of £236.80 -

(£278.24 inc VAT)

The reason I say the last bulb holders are optional is because some people reckon you need to buy them and modify them to hold the HID bulbs in, personally I don't think its necessary, I never used them on mine and they are held in fine just by slightly bending the metal clips.
so you can potentially lose about £20 off that bill. Obviously if you're not going for HID's you need them and some H1 bulbs. (34901-SZ3-000 £5.64 ea)

Fit all the bulbs and seals into the light units (If you are using HID then you will need to bend the metal clips slightly to hold in the HID bulb units, but this will all become apparent when looking at it. If you're not satisfied with bending the clips, you can follow the guide for fitting HID's to a Facelift found here)

Now for the wiring, when you offer the new lights up you will notice straight off that the plugs for the indicators are different, so far as I know you can't buy new ones from honda seperately (without the loom!) so I went to a scrapyard and found some suitable ones from another vehicle (just take the bulb holder down with you and have a root round) Same with the plugs for the new main beam (HB3) bulbs, you will need to be a little creative here when sourcing these parts.

The Side lights plug straight on, as do the headlight adjustment motors, but helpfully the plugs for these are part of the same loom, so because the adjustment motors are in a different position on the facelift lights they don't reach! Easiest thing to do here is to cut the two wires for the sidelight plug and extend them by approx 8 inches so they reach.

Once you've found some suitable indicator plugs - cut off the originals and splice on the new ones. (I personally prefer to solder and heat-shrink all the wires I cut and rejoin, but its up to you, you can use connectors if you don't have a soldering iron.)

Next up, you need to modify the original car headlight wiring, because we're changing from an H4 Hi/Lo bulb for both headlights and main beam, to seperate bulbs. You have to do this otherwise when you go to full beam the projectors will go out, which is not only rubbish for driving with, but also an MOT failure.

You need a standard 4 pin switching relay, a couple of reels of 8amp cable, an inline fuse (or, as I have done, a relay with integrated fuse) and a few various spade connectors. All available from halfords.

I'll assume we're using HID's here, if you're not the wiring is the same, but instead of connecting the wires to the HID ballasts, you'll simply be connecting them straight to the H1 headlight bulbs.

Mount the Ballasts on the inner wings, negative side of both ballasts goes to a suitable earthing point (somewhere on the body or engine which is not painted) Obviously it goes without saying to make sure you keep all wiring away from rotating pulleys and hot bits of the engine...

On the original wiring plug you've got 3 wires, one of them will be live when you switch the headlights on, the other two are switchable earths. One of them will be an earth when your in headlight position, one of them will be an earth when you're in main beam position. You need to identify which is which with a multimeter - I can't remember what the colour codes are off hand. but I believe they are discussed in Mr Bilko's thread here

Once you've done that, the wire which is an Earth when you're on headlights is not needed (as these will now be permanently earthed) so you can tape it up and forget it. On the passenger side, find a suitable place to mount the relay.

You wire up pin 30 of the relay to a permanent feed from the battery (Via an inline fuse holder if you don't have a fused relay) and pin 87 to one side of your mainbeam bulb. On pin 85 you wire in the live feed from the cars original wiring plug and also piggy back this off the positive side of your HID ballast. Pin 86 goes to an earth. Terminal 87 goes to one side of your main beam bulb the other side of the main beam bulb goes to the switchable main beam earth from the original car loom.

The other side is only ever so slightly different - identify which wire is which again from the cars original plug, wire in the live to the positive side of your HID ballast (the other side goes to a permanent earth as above) the switchable main beam earth goes to one side of the HB3 main beam bulb, and for the other side of the main beam you bridge a wire across from Pin 87 on the relay."




Omni (2007) added this just in case (those type-r boys can be a bit fussy)

http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=140796 - posted by Omni on monday 25th june 2007 2.38pm.

[linepulse]

Good post...

I PM'd some guy on typer forum about this, as he done it to his EP3 - selling it for about 8k....looks hot with the face lift lights.

Seems like a fair bit of work. But definitely worth the results. As this would be the only reason why I would go for the face lift model

I assume I could use my H4 HID bulb, just couldn't use the hi-beam on it; that would obviously be a separate bulb and connection - if Im wrong let me know, I plan to do this soon :D

Good work!

[shakman87]

yeah dude, ur right - you wouldn't get full beam. but i suppose HIDs are bright enough and if you get the Bi-Xenon ones they're even brighter. (brighter than X5's i've been told). but at about £200 a kit you should expect amzing results. remember 6000k is the favourite. nice bright light that keeps the blue tint. (btw, Bi-Xenons are are available for H4 bulbs, so go for it - spend that little bit more and u wont have to worry about the bulbs till they go out)

http://www.hids4u.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=71&cat=15&page=1 - pre-facelift

http://www.hids4u.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=47&cat=13&page=1 - facelift

i'm thinking of heading down the HID route too. gonna look for a good kit and prob do the job myself as it doesn't seem too bad. prob get a buddy to help so the job can be done twice as fast.

[shakman87]

i reckon if we could get enough people i could prob sort out a group buy. that way we'd prob get some discount too

[linepulse]

already got HIDs

I think I paid £110 for my h4 set last year, hi-beam is a crappy crappy sun flower yellow in comparison.

I thought bi-xenon was just about it producing a hi beam in the same bulb :-/ doh!

6000k is the perfect colour, nice white diamond with a subtle blue. If I had projector lights I would go with 5000k or even 4300k.  After a while the colour temp shifts up, so you may find a 6k bulb after a good few months of usage will read as 6.5k. From what I've read anyway.

I am liking the new higher power kits, I always want more.

[shakman87]

lol, i kno what u mean mate. i saw the 35w kit for £100 then saw the 55w kit for £150. 35w kit seems tempting, but i would like to have the 55w kit as i think the lights would be brighter. i'm defo gonna go for it once student loan comes in.

have u fitted yours yet?

[linepulse]

yeah fitted soon as I got them.

I don't remember seeing a higher watt unit :-/

Regardless they are both decent bits of kit that will be better then any type of halogen. I had to manually align the head lamps due to getting flashed a few times.

If you get them, let me know how you get on

[joey80]

I agree with you.

[prettmoore]

Though I am new to these forums but still I found these very informative and interesting.  I will surely join you with some study way back my place.


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Eric Horvitz, du laboratoire de recherche de Microsoft à Redmond a réfléchi à la manière dont un tel logiciel pourrait être utilisé. Il imagine un avenir dans lequel des algorithmes coordonneraient une armée de travailleurs humains, de senseurs physiques et d’ordinateurs conventionnels. Dans le cas où un enfant disparaîtrait, par exemple, un algorithme pourrait assigner certains volontaires à la fonction de recherche, demander à d’autres d’examiner les images de vidéosurveillance. Le système irait aussi à la pêche dans les informations locales pour trouver des cas similaires. Ces éléments seraient combinés pour créer un cyborg détective.
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police investigation found that Sprite tank seal, without any eye of a needle from external damage, no mercury substance Sprite production lines. The police have determined that the incident of human poisoning, and the investigative focus shifted to Marseille, and with dining Liu Xiaojing body.
 mid-September, 2009, Liu Xiaojing acquainted with the security star of the original, Liu Xiaojing decided to poison the revenge Marseille each other's
after
 first instance verdict, Liu Xiaojing, high star of the original unlawful deprivation of the behavior of other people's lives have been intentional homicide, punishable by law. View of Liu and Gao less the circumstances of the crime, a good attitude, and belongs to the attempted crime, may be,paul smith pas cher, mutatis mutandis, consummates the crime, a lighter punishment.
 sentencing,jordan shoes, the media's questions about Marseille and Sprite events, she said nothing. When asked
November 7, 2009, Liu Xiaojing will Maceio to the Xidan Joy City,paul smith, not to take advantage of Marseille, the mercury poured Sprite, Marseille drink,michael kors outlet, the diagnosis of mercury poisoning.
 11 o'clock 10 minutes, the judge read out the final judgment. When you hear the judge read out the final result,louboutin pas cher, Liu Xiaojing raised his hands and face to block after being taken off the court.
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traffic jams, the sentencing time than the predetermined time delay of 1 hour. 11:05, Liu Xiaojing and high-Star was originally brought into the courtroom. Liu Xiaojing hand blocking the face the face of the media, flash, first appeared in the principle of gangling star head more vertical, the lower.
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 (Reporter Wang Wei) Liu Xiaojing sanitation workers, in retaliation for the lover of Marseille in Marseille drink Sprite poisoning, single-handedly created a This morning, an Intermediate People's Court of Final Appeal intentional homicide and sentenced to seven years in prison, Liu Xiaojing her helper Star was originally sentenced to five years in prison.
 Liu Xiaojing (right) to hear the verdict, immediately hand over his face,polo ralph lauren, the high star of the original was sentenced to five years in prison
 afterwards, Marseille by the family to the media disclosure of the matter for a time, Sprite mercury poisoning doors of great concern in the community.
 Marseille understanding in the beginning of 2009 than the 7-year-old married colleague Liu Xiaojing, developed into a Valentine's cohabitation. Since then the family was against Marseille to break.
 
 woman Sprite poisoning the final judgment of 7 years
 to enter the courtroom with my hand face
 Marseille because of damage to business reputation, product reputation of the crime was sentenced to 1 year.
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 Liu Xiaojing (right) to hear the verdict immediately hand over his face,louboutin, high original Star was sentenced to five years in prison photo / reporter Cao Bo far
 in retaliation for the extramarital lover in their drinks input mercury
 Marseille left no sequelae of the message, she simply said, simply:
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 the judge explained that, from the criminal point of intentional homicide is 10 years of a minor nature of the sentencing range of three to 10 years. Marseille Prior to the Court wrote to request a lighter punishment Liu Xiaojing, this Liu Xiaojing sentencing has been taken into account the views of Marseille.
 At this point, flash light into a courtroom.
 morning, the Intermediate People's Court of Final Appeal judgment to maintain the judgment of the Court of First Instance, Liu Xiaojing of Final result of intentional homicide jailed for seven years.
 her side,franklin and marshall, the bailiff said, Liu Xiaojing currently being cold, the body is uncomfortable.
 in April 2010,michael kors, Marseille, Liu Xiaojing, high-Star original Procuratorate.
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